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Wednesday, June 2, 2010

The GEO method of maintaining your RV holding tanks

Read this on Karen and Al's blog:


and she read it on IRV2 forums.  http://www.irv2.com/forums/     I have heard of it mentioned in various places but never found out all the details.  We do most of them anyhow, but nice to have it all to refer back to.

So in the event of being accused of plagerism, I noted where I saw it before I will copy and paste it here below, along with the author's name and information, along with his offer at the end of the article to repost it.

Black and Gray Water Holding Tank Maintenance

The Geo Method
By Charles Bruni
Renton, Washington
Everyone who owns an RV should be concerned with maintaining its wastewater tanks. Problems with wastewater tanks can and should be avoided. Wastewater tank repair is expensive. Due to health concerns, many service facilities will not work on wastewater tanks and lines until the tanks have been completely emptied and sanitized. This may be quite difficult when the tank(s) is in need of repair. So, common sense dictates that the tanks should be kept relatively clean at all times. Additionally, improper use of the wastewater tanks can lead to a build up of solid wastes, which in itself may cause the system to fail.

I've discovered very simple, effective, and inexpensive methods of maintaining my wastewater tanks in a relatively clean condition at all times. I developed these methods myself through my understanding of chemistry, physics, and biology with a smidgen of common sense thrown in for good measure. I also read my RV owner's manual. Although we are not full time RVers we use our fifth wheel camper at least one weekend a month. We never use public bathing and toilet facilities. In other words, our wastewater tanks are fairly heavily used. Since I've met a number of RVers who don't seem to know how to maintain their wastewater tanks I thought many RVers would find my tips useful. If you have not been maintaining your tanks I believe you will be pleasantly surprised the first time you employ these tips. I do these things and they work. 

RVs are equipped with waste water HOLDING tanks; NOT septic tanks. Those holding tanks are nothing more than chamber pots. Chamber pots should be cleaned and sanitized after their contents are disposed of. The Geo Method is based on this fact.

When you are camping and your RV is connected to a sewer/septic intake, leave the drain valves closed until the tank is full and ready to dump. Dumping a full tank provides a sufficient quantity of water to flush solids from the tank. Leaving the drain valves open allows the water to drain off without flushing out solid waste. That solid waste will collect in the tank(s) and cause problems over time. If your tanks are not full when you are ready to dump them, fill them with fresh water first, and then dump them.

In other words, dump the black (commode) water tank first, then dump the galley tank, then dump the bathroom tank. This way you will be flushing out the dirtiest water with progressively cleaner water.

This stuff is amazing and it works. Buy a couple of boxes of powdered water softener at the grocery store. You'll find it located with or near the laundry detergent products. I prefer Calgon Water Softener because it dissolves quickly in water. 

(KarenInTheWoods here~~ we buy Calgon in a liquid form, usually found in the laundry aisle)

Cheaper water softeners work just as well but dissolve more slowly. Dissolve two (2) cups of the water softener in a gallon of hot water. Then, pour the solution down the drain into the empty tank. Use two cups of softener for each wastewater tank in your RV. The tank's drain valve should be closed otherwise the softened water will just drain out. Then use the tank(s) normally until it is full and drain it normally. Add a cup of laundry detergent to the black (commode) water tank at the same time you add water softener. This will help clean the tank. The gray water tanks should already contain soap through normal use. 

The water softener makes the solid waste let go from the sides of the tanks. If you've ever taken a shower in softened water you know that after rinsing the soap from your body your skin will feel slick. That's because all the soap rinses away with soft water. Softened water also prevents soap scum from sticking in the tub. Get the connection? With softened water gunk washes away instead of sticking. The same thing applies to your RV's wastewater tanks. 

I use a clear plastic elbow connector to attach my sewer drain line to the wastewater outlet on my RV. It allows me to see how well things are progressing during a wastewater dump. Before I began using water softener regularly the black water tank's water was brown, the galley tank's water was brownish, and the bathroom tank's water was white. 

The first time I added water softener to the tanks the water coming from the black water tank was actually black (not brown) and the kitchen tank's water was also black (not brownish). The bathroom tank's water remained white. That told me that the water softener had actually done what I had intended for it to do and made solid waste, which had been stuck to the interior of the tanks, let go and drain away. I added water softener (and laundry detergent to the black tank) to all the wastewater tanks for the next few dumps to be certain all the solid waste possible had been cleaned away. The wastewater only appeared black on the initial treatment. I now add water softener and detergent to each tank once after every few dumps to maintain the system. 

Too little water softener may not be of sufficient concentration to work effectively. Too much water softener will NOT hurt the tanks. So, if the amount you used didn't quite do the job, then use more the next time. Don't forget the laundry detergent.

Occasionally, I pour a half gallon of liquid bleach into each tank to deodorize, sanitize and disinfect them. I add the bleach when the tank is about half full, and then continue to use the tank normally until it is full and ready to dump. I no longer use the blue toilet chemical because it isn't necessary. I have no odors coming from my black water tank. The chlorine bleach kills the bacteria, which is primarily responsible for waste water tank odor. Generic brand liquid bleach is cheap and very effective.

Most fresh water contains sediment. Sediment will accumulate in your wastewater tanks and your fresh water lines. It also tends to discolor your sinks, tub/shower, and commode. I use the disposable type and have found that they eventually fill up and begin restricting the fresh water flow resulting in low pressure. That's how I know it's time to get a new filter. It works, it's cheap, it avoids problems, do it. When I fill my fresh water tank I attach the filter to the end of the hose and fill the tank with filtered water. 

SOME OTHER THOUGHTS -WATER, WATER, WATER - and more water! The Geo Method assumes you are hooked up to a plentiful clean water supply, and that you have access to a sewer. The water softener will make the gunk let go. That's only half the battle. After the gunk lets go it must then be flushed through the relatively small drain opening in the bottom of the tank. That takes water. Lots of water. 

Will The Geo Method work even if most of the time I'm NOT hooked up to water and sewer? YES! Just use common sense. If you dry camp ninety percent of the time just keep water softener and detergent in your tanks (especially the black tank) while you're dry camping. This will keep gunk from sticking to the tanks. When you are hooked up to sewer and water take the opportunity to fill the tanks with fresh water and flush the tanks. Keep flushing them until the water runs clear. I know it works because I've done it. 

Never put regular toilet tissue in your RV's black tank. Only use toilet tissue which is approved for RV and/or septic tank use. Regular toilet tissue may eventually dissolve, but not before causing a clog in your black tank. 

(KarenInTheWoods here ~~ we use Angelsoft which seems to dissolve just as fast as the expensive RV paper, we use it at home too in our complicated septic tank with pump system and uphill to the mound system drain field ) 

I believe occasionally traveling with partially filled wastewater tanks that contain softened water promotes cleaning by agitating the water. The same goes for chlorine bleach. 

I believe this process works faster and more efficiently during warm weather. However, I know it works well even during cool/cold weather. 

I believe the process works best the longer the water softener remains in the tanks. So, I don't add water softener during periods of heavy wastewater generation. I wait until I know we won't be generating wastewater quickly so that the softened water remains in the tanks for several days before dumping. 

If you have an older RV you may have to use water softener and detergent several times initially to completely clean the tanks of residue. 

I add a small amount of chlorine bleach to the fresh water tank twice a year to disinfect and sanitize the fresh water tank and fresh water lines. A weak chlorine bleach solution will not hurt you. However, it certainly makes the water taste bad. When we have chlorine in the fresh water system we use bottled water for drinking and cooking until the chlorine is gone. YES, we drink the filtered water that we have in the fresh water tank. NO, it has never tasted funny or caused any problems. 

No, I do NOT do the ice cube thing. The Geo Method works just fine without ice cubes. 

My tanks are plastic and my pipes are PVC.
Don't be afraid to use your tanks. Just use common sense about their care and maintenance.
These tips are inexpensive to do. Some of them don't cost anything. You have nothing to lose in trying them and I encourage you to do so. I actually feel a certain amount of pride in the condition and cleanliness of both my waste and fresh water systems. Naturally, these tips make dumping a much more pleasant and sanitary procedure.
If you have odors in any of your water systems these procedures should eliminate them. Odors indicate a sanitary problem and degrade the enjoyment you derive from your RV.
When my RV is parked and not in use I place stoppers in the sink and tub drains. This forces the wastewater tanks to vent through the vent pipes to the outside instead of through the drains into the RV. Water evaporates. Once the drain traps dry out during periods of non-use, nothing is there to prevent gasses (odor) from venting into the camper. Use stoppers when your RV is stored.
copyright(c) 2004 Charles Bruni
Please consider printing this information and posting it on bulletin boards in RV parks and campgrounds you visit. Fellow RVers will benefit from your consideration.


  1. This is a great article, I am printing and saving it in my folder of stuff in the trailer for reference.Thanks for posting it Karen, you again come through with a sevrice for all us campers. Be safe out there. Sam & Donna.

  2. Thank You for posting this. I have saved it in my "tips" file for the future.

    I keep learning by reading, for somethings it is better than by experience. I hope this saves us trouble in the future!

  3. The above article is a tried & true method of dealing with waste & works great. This is basically how we handle our tanks as well using Calgon crystals, & 'Dove' dish detergent. Haven't had any problems in the last 3 years using this formula. And don't be afraid to use lots of water when you can. Always good to see helpful postings like this.

  4. We use the GEO method and have for quite some time. I use the liquid softener and dawn dish detergent.

  5. Great article...thanks for sharing. We do this also and it is good to put this information out for everybody.

    Thanks, thanks, thanks

    Mike & Gerri (happytrails)

  6. The Geo method has been around for some years. I thought nearly every RVer used it. We know that the stuff they sell for the black tank doesn't work right!
    The water softener by itself will keep your black tank clean, if that is all you have.
    Some say that clorine bleach will damage your seals, but I haven't had that problem so far, but I use it sparingly.
    A Whirleygig on your vent pipe makes a big difference, too, it keeps the tanks aired out.

    Happy Trails, Penny, TX

  7. Thanks for this useful post, Karen. I've read this before but it bears repeating. I am going to print this out in case I forget something here. :)

  8. Great information Karen, I am off to buy supplies! I will also send this to our friends who are new RV owners.

  9. We have used this method from day one with our MH. We bought our unit used and there was odor in the tanks, we used the GEO method and filled the tanks to full and let it sit for several days before actually starting on our fulltiming adventure. We drove for an hour or so with tanks full, before empting them. Haven't had a problem since and that was done almost 3 years ago. Occassionally we will add a bit of bleach.

    We go one step futher with the TP as I like my TP to be solid. We use regualar 2ply TP and place it in a wastebasket at the side of the toilet and empty this out every day or two, and we don't have issue with odor, once the waste is dry (doesn't take long) there is no odor. Many people don't like this method but it works for us and the TP is much cheaper than RV tissue!

    Unfortunately many people do not use the GEO method according to Kevin, from working at the RV store many people spent lots of $$$ buying toilet chemicals and RV TP.

    Thanks for posting this method Karen.

    Kevin and Ruth


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