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Thursday, October 20, 2011

MOTORHOME MODIFICATION - Revisiting the Installation of our Solar Panels

I have had a number of emails lately from RV readers inquiring about our solar panel setup.   I had done some blog posts in the past when we first installed it back in April 2010.  Instead of just referring them back to the old posts, I thought I would repeat the information by copying and pasting into a new blog post for today.


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On our Safari motorhome, we originally had two OEM solar panels… one 75 watt for the big coach batteries and a smaller one for maintaining the chassis batteries.   This setup was enough to top off our four golf cart batteries, with frugal usage we could go many days with it.  But we decided to “Solar Up” with more…   and be more livable and downright extravagant once we are done!  LOL

We removed the old panels, as it’s never good idea to mix sizes.  All panels should be the same wattage. Sold the old ones off on Ebay.


THE EQUIPMENT:
We purchased four 100 watt Siemens panels,  a Blue Sky MPPT solar controller, a Trimetric gauge, and all the various cords and accessories to go along with it.  We already have four 6volt golf cart batteries installed.
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Steve made the mounting brackets out of heavy aluminum, and made them so supplementary metal rods can be wingnutted onto them to tilt them in the winter months if needed.  The panels will ride flat the rest of the year, and only add the tilting rods if we deem it necessary. He pre-fitted the brackets while the panels were still on the ground, rather than waiting till they were up on the roof.


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PREPARATION:
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The location of the solar controller is very important.  The closest spot located to the batteries is the most desirable.  But it also needs to be in a protected compartment.  This one is the closest, just on the other side of the wheel well.  Once the controller is mounted here upright, the main heavy welding cable will go around the wheel well and connect to the shunt and the batteries right behind the wheel well.


WIRING:
We chose a location on the roof for the panels that would not have them shadowed by any objects on the rooftop, such as roof vents and air conditioners. The slightest shadow can hamper the panel's output.   We plan to face the front of the rig east as much as possible when choosing parking spots, so the panels are running lengthwise along our south side (passenger side) of the rig.  We already try to park this way in the hot summer to keep our fridge on the north side cooler by being in the shade.

On the passenger side of the rig is a perfect spot to run the wires down through a hole Steve will drill in the roof, through an access panel in the closet that reveals a chase for other wiring and the plumbing vent from our washer/dryer unit.   Directly below this closet is the basement compartment where the solar controller will be located.
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He got the solar controller mounted, wires and ground all hooked up too.





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Now it’s time to get on the roof and drill down, and pull through the heavy gauge wires for the panels.  Steve carries along this ladder in our rig, an Xmas present from moi.
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We cut out a section of wall and installed the Trimetric Monitor gauge and the 500amp shunt used to monitor the battery condition.
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The gauge is mounted in our kitchen, and the shunt is mounted under the bed close to the batteries on the negative line.  Special wires come back to the wall panel.
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Voila! It works!  This is like “Command Central” for seeing how many volts you have in your batteries, how many amps are being used, how much is being charged etc.
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Let’s all sing together that James Taylor favorite:  Up On A Roof…………….
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And I gingerly crawled up the ladder to assist.    I HATE heights….ack!  First step was to hook the four panels together into pairs of two.
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Now they had to be wired up together and then joined to the two 8 gauge cords
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Next comes the time to flip all four of the panels over and install the brackets to the roof… ohhh drilling holes in a roof can be VERY SCARY!    Once a hole is drilled, you can’t  UNdrill it!

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We used some rather unique fasteners.   Before you get too excited seeing “plastic”, calm down.  It’s only temporary nylon guides that hold the metal toggle into place … read on:
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Ahhhhh  now look at that !  (about four hours later)
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Well, not quite.   Now Steveio had to hook up the wires in the solar controller and 30 amp fuse box.  Then hook the Trimetric gauge back up to the shunt and it *should* work…..

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Weeeeeheeeeeee it all works!   
And even in cloudy afternoon sky in April we are pulling 20 amps.  
Ain’t that something?



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P.S.  We find our solar panels give us ample power to do most everything we wish when boondocking (other than run the microwave or vacuum cleaner)    We run the tv's, my curling iron, recharge our cell phones and cameras, run the Galaxy Tablet, and any of the lights and water pump etc. as needed.  We have to remember to start up our  on board Onan generator once a month to exercise it, because we don't often need it now that we are solared up.


Three helpful links we found when exploring all our solar options were: 







(NOTE: SINCE THIS POST, STEVE RAN ACROSS ONE MORE 100 WATT PANEL THAT MATCHED OUR OTHER FOUR, SO NOW WE HAVE FIVE PANELS UP ON THE ROOF) 







9 comments:

  1. We have 240 watts and four 6v batteries. Also more than enough for our needs. Very rare do the batteries get below 12.1 resting volts. Solar works great until you get four or five rainy days in a row! Fortunately, we don't get that many rainy days here in Mexico! Love our solar panels...once you've had solar, you never go back!
    www.travelwithkevinandruth.com

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  2. I think it would just be easier for me to buy your unit when you decide to get another one....then all the work has already been done and no more refitting needed. ;)

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  3. (oops typo in my last comment)

    Heh heh Mike... don't think we will EVER get rid of it. This is a "Million Mile Rig" as far as the diesel motor is concerned. Plus with all aluminum construction and exterior surfaces it will last a long long time. These were luxury coaches in 1996 and made to last. So many newer

    rigs were made with flimsy construction, staples, glue and plastic.. or printed paper over fiberboard. You won't find none of that in our Safari.

    Honestly, if anything ever happened to this one, I would probably want to replace it with exactly the same rig. With Steveio's careful maintenance, I can see us enjoying this rig for a long time to come.

    But thanks for liking it!

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  4. I admire Steve's work and I'm sure a lot of planning time went in this project including the east facing parking to keep the frig cool,good thinking.
    A very well explained installation process also but a few questions come to mind. Doesn't the controller require good ventilation,what length 4GA wire was used,what is the output voltage from the panels, what amperage input to batteries, what amp is the shunt, do you have a high amp fuse on the 4GA positive wire close to the batteries, and have you checked the amperage to batteries difference with the panels flat vs tilted?
    I have a 10 amp difference in my 400 watt system,according to trimetric .
    Mickey

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  5. Good questions Mickey!

    The solar controller is in a large open area of our basement on the motorhome. It's hard to tell from the pic, but it's open around and behind the stairwell open to the rest of the basement area. We don't have small compartments, it's all one big open storage space from front to rear axles and side to side.

    The 4 ga. line is only about 5 feet long from the controller around the back tire to the shunt and battery area. (that is a different openly vented area too)

    The shunt is a 500 amp from Bogart Engineering.

    We have a 30amp breaker fuse box between the controller and batteries instead of just an inline fuse. That way we can pull the fuses to shut down the system if need be.

    Will have to ask Steve what the output from panels contrast to input at the batteries, but the panels are rated at 5.6 amp and 17.7 volts per panel.

    We have never tilted the panels yet, because even in the desert of AZ and CA last winter, we never went below 75-80% of the capacity, so never needed to. The panels recharged up each morning well before noon back to 100%.

    Hope the additional information helps! thanks for asking----

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  6. Thanks for the additional information, I went back and looked at my install and I have a 80 AMP breaker at the battery on the controller input cable, where I have the 150 AMP inline fuse is between the inverter and battery. I use inverter for coffee maker and electric portable burner and will try microwave at some point, although I only have one 8D AGM 245 AH battery at this time it works fine. I still haven't figured out the total AH output from the panels on average day so not sure if more storage would be better or if too much storage would keep the batteries at a lower rate of charge.
    Mickey

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  7. The panels do not need to be identical, they need to be the same voltage (parallel) or current (series). For most brands, this does mean you need the same model panels together. One company (am solar) does make four different panels designed to be used together in parallel in any combination.

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  8. Karen and Steveio,
    Cool install! Kind of traditional meets fine craftmanship. Everyone should spend so much time on details.

    As you already know, I went another way..no brackets and slightly different wiring.

    If anyone else is interested take a look at:

    http://wandermanblog.blogspot.com/2011/11/better-solar-charging-mouse-trap-part-1.html

    Cheers!

    Rich "The Wanderman"

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  9. I have the same color/year/ model coach. Trying to install 6v golf cart batteries but they are too wide for the tray.. Did you have to modify your coach batt tray? Love your blog by the way,

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